tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post6173340541271794865..comments2024-02-03T17:53:56.911+00:00Comments on ...the leadpile: Mostly ArmlessWhiskey Priesthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15956327711660800903noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-3564857441381133952016-07-02T00:36:43.924+01:002016-07-02T00:36:43.924+01:00Great post really interesting, I picked up a job l...Great post really interesting, I picked up a job lot of hybrids with a bag of arms and weapons and there were some metal casts of the human arms, wondered if anyone had seen these before or if they were some bootlegs?Little Death Miniatureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17764384832544726985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-92127559292763177372015-09-18T14:00:54.333+01:002015-09-18T14:00:54.333+01:00I use the new arms on old metal bodies....works ou...I use the new arms on old metal bodies....works out well.chipkithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005615793103085043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-9218923443270033882015-09-01T13:26:36.706+01:002015-09-01T13:26:36.706+01:00I always assumed it was a cost thing just like sl...I always assumed it was a cost thing just like slotta bases, by the time the base, the arms and the weapon are plastic you are almost getting two miniatures for the same amount of metal. As to character, I think the problem with plastic arms and plastic multipart kits in general is that they all appear to work on the forward and back dimension rather than the side to side. This makes them all look the same however much character they have its lost when they are all doing and identical hands out in the driving position pose.<br /><br />Still good job I have a sill sized stock of these arms of almost all types. The short sleeved human arms are the ones I'd like a few more of but they really are rare.Ernyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06106035249657749275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-74719922878269271682015-08-31T11:49:51.080+01:002015-08-31T11:49:51.080+01:00I loved the plastic arms when they came out, thoug...I loved the plastic arms when they came out, though I eventually realised there were only several poses you could realistically achieve with them. I agree with you on the point that miniatures look better when sculpted as a single cast, its just such a shame that many of these great old figs remain unpainted and unused because they lack decent arms. <br /><br />Somewhere there is a gigantic pile of plastic arms with a laughing god of collecting sitting on top! (;Orlygghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01590080915486192175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-24448879619125324762015-08-31T11:20:27.565+01:002015-08-31T11:20:27.565+01:00i like the metal body - plastic arms combo. espec...i like the metal body - plastic arms combo. especially with orks. bloody difficult to track down arms though!londoninflameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216949044520335700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-14776442228740971222015-08-31T10:50:25.251+01:002015-08-31T10:50:25.251+01:00The very sight of those sprues sends me into a Gol...The very sight of those sprues sends me into a Gollum like mania.<br />I amassed a very large collection of Space Orks from say 09-11 via ebay and every night I scoured it in search of arms...I'd love to have a RT Imperial Army force but the very thought of hunting down those arms almost makes me cry.<br />Got a real belly laugh out of "why you only buy the Perry or Olley Squats" too- so damn true.<br />I have been lucky in recent years and expanded a bit though.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879413617587155317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-26903313306746821382015-08-31T10:23:54.454+01:002015-08-31T10:23:54.454+01:00Just chipping in with Nathan, I recall reading an ...Just chipping in with Nathan, I recall reading an article in a WD too. <br /><br />It was talking about GW's "new" plastic minis, the problem's associated with it compared to metal casting etc. But more importantly, it mentioned that they were going to put the question to their customers i.e. Which would you prefer, more multi-part plastic's or more of the same? <br /><br />Suppose that's the reason why they went down that path.Mr Papafakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05449586265828153638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-36689065312889063832015-08-31T09:45:56.269+01:002015-08-31T09:45:56.269+01:00I agree that it doesn't work - guess that is w...I agree that it doesn't work - guess that is why they ditched the separate arms idea. Firthy 74https://www.blogger.com/profile/17104155948966037030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-35805680441072711772015-08-31T09:08:39.238+01:002015-08-31T09:08:39.238+01:00I can't agree with the 3- dimensionality of pl...I can't agree with the 3- dimensionality of plastic armed figures. I can see your point but if that was the goal of the designers then I reckon they missed. Most of the arms for the guard and squat figures were simply holding a rifle across their abdomen. Hardly dynamic. Their would probably be an arm for holding a shoulder mounted heavy weapon, nothing that hadn't been done in metals. And their is probably an arm pointing what would be a pistol weapon. This is probably the best example of the 90 degrees you were referring to. The thing is the human body doesn't look identical in all these poses. The shoulders and chest are poses differently. So when you try to have a neutral pose and add any of the above arms you end up with a very stiff, unnatural looking figure. Which, as I mentioned in my post, removes a lot of the character of the model.Whiskey Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15956327711660800903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-56091582026731038932015-08-31T08:28:50.396+01:002015-08-31T08:28:50.396+01:00Those plastic arms were the bane of my existence. ...Those plastic arms were the bane of my existence. That, combined with the metal command bits. Plastic and metal does not match well. <br /><br />Thanks for a nice post - Great read as usual :)Affunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740780667453103334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-29262455649772094582015-08-31T07:47:04.759+01:002015-08-31T07:47:04.759+01:00So true, by wanting to get the best of both worlds...So true, by wanting to get the best of both worlds with metal bodies and plastic arms, we finally got the downsides of both ^^<br />The metal body+plastic amrs thing lasted a good while though until the end of 40k V3 I think.<br />That said those half finished models aren't such a bad thing when you have the modelling skills to convert them or to sculpt better arm positions (which most of us didn't at the time).Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3298356674700006690.post-56991087253068775762015-08-30T23:36:32.305+01:002015-08-30T23:36:32.305+01:00I reckon there are a number of reasons for this. O...I reckon there are a number of reasons for this. One as you noted is the option bit; another is cost as plastic arms are cheaper IF one can sell enough of the figures that use them. By the time citadel moved to plastic arms they were selling enough figures to recover the high cost of moulding in plastic. Another reason , one related to options but slightly different, is that separate arms (whether they are plastic or metal) avoids the problem of undercuts one gets on one piece castings. Citadel largely avoided this but the way one does it is by producing very linear, two dimensional models. The result is one cannot really produce a single cast figure pointing one way holding a gun/staff etc at 90 degrees to that without massive amounts of undefined areas. You see this with toy soldiers. White Dwarf did an article on all this at some stage - I cannot remember the exact number but I think it was in the 90's so that would put it in 1988. Firthy 74https://www.blogger.com/profile/17104155948966037030noreply@blogger.com